martin luther king. of course today is the marking of that day, mlk day, and one of abraham lincoln. how do you see this moment in the context of that struggle because that was resonant and poignant, wasn't it? >> it was very powerful, and keep in mind he said something, martin, that tied it all together. he said that we realized long ago that we could not survive and thrive as half slave state and half free. and basically i think what he was saying is we've come a long way, and i think he showed what lincoln did to make the country stronger, again having a vision of what we could do, and then i think he tried to use that to say, okay, now a lot has happened in between those times. we still face difficulties, but let's, again, be inspired by the aspiration of those who came before us so that each person could pursue happiness, you know, life, liberty, and property, and do it in a way that made sense. so i really think -- as i listened to chris, i couldn't help but think of a note i wrote while the presid